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Once there was a story of
a place called Minneapolis; a city that was deeply bred in the fine arts
of Hip Hop culture. Whether the legendary King Viper for visuals, or The
Minneapolis Body Breakers. How about KeL C and Sugar Free. What about
Crazy T or Devastatin' D? The International Breakers the heart breakers,
Juke Box, B-Fresh?
The under-documentation of Hip Hop in Minneapolis is a shame to the
heads around the nation. Minneapolis is a city that has held some of the
world's finest writers, breakers, emcee’s, poets and deejays that world
has never seen. As one of the few emcees that had the opportunity to
witness the struggles and strife of the local legends and pioneers of
Hip Hop in Minneapolis, I was honored to sit down with one that refers
to himself as the "Last Man Standing."
Pensoul: So as an emcee who has lived in a variety of places, L.A. to
Minneapolis to Atlanta, what city would you say has had the biggest
affect on you as an artist?
I Self Devine: Well really they are three places that could never be
compared cause they all contributed different things. The origin and
birth started in LA and that’s real for what it was. A lot of people
that were not from LA couldn’t have seen what happened. See, gangs to me
are Hip Hop. I was able to see the pre-gangster shit, what gangsters
were listening to. That was my introduction. See, I am also a child of
KDay, the radio station that played 24 hours a day hip hop, hearing
interviews with Run DMC. My mom was on some next level shit anyway, as
far as progressiveness, so she was one of the ones that introduced me to
Hip Hop. So that was like the origin. Then coming to Minneapolis was
like a training ground cause coming from L.A. I seen that you had to
work a lot harder in terms of making it in the business being here
(Minneapolis). In L.A. I actually went into studios and performed, but
here was the first time I was actually shopping demo tapes and getting
denial letters. This was where my freestyle skills were actually
sharpened, cause back in the day, for whatever reason, cats here were
really stressing freestyle, and making sure you was on it. So by the
time I got to Atlanta I was swift and cats were like "nah you ain't from
Minneapolis" because we came with a whole click. Being in Minneapolis is
like swimming up stream with the salmon so when you get in cool areas
you come in and deebo shit. Atlanta was another form of struggle. It was
a return to how Hip Hop used to be for me in like '89 and '90 where you
seen a population that was mostly colored, which was ill. You had
sisters coming up to you like yeah I like your lyrics. They weren’t
trying to touch or be on some ol' groupie shit. They were coming like
students and that was cool.
PS: So do you feel that being able to travel to these different places
was meant to be in preparing you for your what your getting ready to do
right now?
ISD: Put it this way: as we deal with life right now we have the choice
and the will to do what it is that we choose to do for right now, every
second and every moment. From an overview, it is always written. What we
dealing with right now is already on the shelf. So we are actually just
in the moment relishing the choice, but yeah everything that happens is
supposed to happen there are no mistakes in this world.
PS: So with your experience what is it you feel you bring to the
industry?
ISD: How I see it, for every dude you see in the industry, it took 20 or
30 dudes that never really got nowhere to allow that person to exist. I
feel like I am the tail end of the original flavor. I really over-stand
Hip Hop and Hip Hop is everything and these outside fads can’t dictate
me because I am an originator and creator and I remember how it was,
that first love like when you meet that first female. I consider myself
a purist but even as a purist you have to expect certain things to
change. But for me I feel more so than anything the fact that I am an
emcee. When performing I give a hundred percent, it’s like fighting and
having sex.
PS: Given that, could you explain to the new cats how important a good
emcee bounce is?
ISD: A good emcee is close to like a pimp. Not like in the aspect of
exploiting people, but just in terms of like laying down the law and
having to be very confident. But you know it’s a double edge sword with
anything. But of course your suppose to deal with the righteous angle,
cause the crowd wants somebody to feel confident in, we all want
something to believe in regardless if it’s a religion or something that
someone said to you in a style of music. So if you come in and let the
people see it in your eyes then that’s confidence. You gotta let your
personality shine. It's knowing you gotta perform even if it's five
people. You gotta just zone out. It’s always being humble. You know at
the end of the day we are all just regular. Freestyling is important as
well, if you got a technical malfunction you can’t just be stuck on
stupid you gotta go back to the beginning of the cut unless you got a
crazy fan base and every body knows your joints, and if they do know 'em,
you can adlib it and flip and they gotta respect that it's just an added
twist. Yo, for me, being a emcee, the show must go on. If the lights go
out you just keep rhyming. If the mic falls we just keep rhyming. If I
fall down I just keep rhyming. If the Deejay falls through the stage we
just keep rhyming cause that’s what we came to do.
PS: A lot of the original heads out here that love the style of music
you represent are crushed when I play them your newest joints. Many of
them do not know about you and the ones that do don’t have access to
your music or shows. What steps are you taking to make sure that the
fans you have not tapped into yet get exposure to your new joint?
ISD: Right now I’m just slowly assembling a team. I feel from my
position there has to be more aggressive advertising, going on the road,
and having a right squad, a good road manager, a good manager. For me,
if I was to classify my music I would say that it is intelligent street
music that captures both aspects of life, you know I gotta educate. If I
can't speak on something in life that is going to motivate someone, I
feel it’s my job as an emcee to express things that others may not be
able to express for themselves. If I can do that then I feel as though
I’m doing my part. Some of the music I make could have been made in 1988
and at that time there was not a lot of music coming out and everything
that came out was good. There really weren’t as many distractions. And
for me I kept holding on to that underground aesthetic. One thing that I
feel makes an artist underground and not sub-underground is the fact
that the unsuccessful underground artists do not really work on their
choruses, some of their beat selections and things of that nature. See
for me it's like I am a scientist and it's cool passing on my stuff to
other scientists, but they all know what we know. It's kinda like if you
are a teacher and some of your students are doing well, then let them do
well. You want the dude that’s like "yo there is something else about
him," cause nine times out of ten, that dude is the one.
PS: So you just recently came off a tour?
ISD: Yeah I was on tour for about two and a half months from September
'03 to December '03.
PS: How has touring changed your view of the game?
ISD: Each tour that we do is getting better and better, but I’ve really
been touring since about '96. This one though was more put together. I
didn’t have to chase my paperwork. I didn’t have to corner promoters in
the bathroom this time, so that was good. So the flip side of that was
that who we were going out with wasn’t necessary to our audience. It was
a double edged sword. I use that a lot because there is always a good
side and a destructive side to anything. The fans were open but that is
not necessarily our fan base. I want to have a wide range and be able to
deal with different genres. But it's good, at the end of the day I would
say that I probably touched a quarter million people. Who we went out
with was popular and had a lot of fans. I was able to touch some
legendary clubs that probably would have taken me a while, like the
Fillmore where Jimi Hendrix burnt the guitar. When I was telling my mom
and other family elders they were zoning out like aw shit. It was bugged
out. There was a barbershop right under there where I was getting cut.
It was like an OG spot, they had all the pictures and whatnot. There
were some brothers in there getting a trim. We just started choppin' it
up. I got to network, you know. People are like "yeah I've never heard
of you, but you're ill." Then there are some people that be like "yeah
I've been following you since… and they name some obscure title. I'm
like oh snap you got that?
PS: Can you name three things that you have learned that has changed you
and how you view that path you will walk from this point forward.
ISD: The first thing I learned is that regardless if I may hurt
someone’s feeling or whatever, I've got to be honest because my
conscious really bothers me--it doesn’t necessarily bother me, it just
tells me things. It just stays on me like "try harder" or "you weren’t
necessarily truthful about that situation." The other part to that is
that you are only as weak as your secrets. Another thing is respecting
your ability to be creative and realizing that there is nothing wrong
with art and commerce and meeting each other. There is nothing wrong
with being compensated for your work. You just do it well, make it well,
and craft it well. I'm trying to do that as well as walk off the path
and create my own path. The third thing is to get money. You gotta prove
you don’t need it and that’s been hard. You gotta just put it out there
and not stress over it--what’s gonna come is gonna come. |
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